Fragmenter - animated loop machine

keszegh

you can check it out here, if you like it, leave a review:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009IVLQ6Y

also any comments on this forum are welcome. there will be a donate version soon as well, so you can support me if you like.

more details if you are not yet bored:
currently i have no job and decided to develop this app, which i made already for windows in different incarnations, but never made them public. this mobile version took more than a month to reach this stage. i think this app contains some original ideas (do you agree?), so it may be interesting for some people., although it aims at a niche market. anyway, i never seriously thought that i will become rich from it, so that's no problem. still i'm interested if anybody will buy the donate version. whatever.

btw i changed the animating engine from shapes to meshes and it became much faster, although the drawing quality is still far from perfect, perhaps opengl 2.0 will be a solution for this as well.

old stuff from the announcement of the beta version:
i don't have a google play store account so the app is not there sadly. my problem is that coming from slovakia i don't have the rights to upload payed apps whereas i wanted to upload a donate/pro version as well later so that i have the chance to get support from people who like the app. if you know any workaround for this problem, please tell me. i was quite disappointed to learn this when i was already complete with the app (although i have many ideas to develop it further, yet for many reasons - main one is that i cannot upload payed app to play store - i had to stop at this stage). i plan to develop it further though, so any feedback is welcome.

during development i realized that a 'game'-oriented programming enviroment is maybe not what i need to develop such an app yet i wanted to stay cross-platform and i did as3 before, so i still prefer gideros (i did not see any better alternative). i'm waiting for rendertotexture so that i can add saving functionality to the app.

Chang

Hi @keszegh, we are exactly in the same boat. Publishing paid apps in Google Play is also not available for my country.

I would suggest Amazon app store, currently the developer license is free (might be $99 annually later) and you can publish paid apps with them.

keszegh

Hi @keszegh, we are exactly in the same boat. Publishing paid apps in Google Play is also not available for my country.

I would suggest Amazon app store, currently the developer license is free (might be $99 annually later) and you can publish paid apps with them.

Thanks, sounds good, or at least better then nothing, especially if the licence is free now. can non-kindle users also use amazon store btw? or is it restricted to some countries? in the past i remember trying it and i could not download they free-of-the day apps. i ask as my primary target are people having tablets with pen (thinkpad, samsung note), so it would be good if i could reach them.

any further feedback about the app is welcome from the forum users.

Chang

@keszegh I think it works on any android tablet as long as they install the Amazon Appstore app. But do expect majority of the users are using kindle.

As for the supported countries, I found this on Amazon.com:
"At this time, we are only able to offer the Amazon Appstore for Android and associated apps to our customers in the United States, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and United Kingdom."

Btw for now I think Free + Ad supported apps for Google Play will work better, and its your only choice (and mine). I see most Google Play paid apps perform badly compared to iOS.

keszegh

So ads in the free app are ok in googe play store according to the google policy? i assume the ads have to come from a third party ad-service.
i shall do that later yet i hate so much ads that i wanted to rather give the app free and give the opportunity to donate for further development in some way, i.e. buying the paid version (which may also have some extra features).
btw i added the app to amazon marketplace, if it gets accepted i will post a link here for that.

Unknown

your app is really cool

keszegh

Up! i released my app 'fragmenter' on the amazon store. for more read the announcement in the first post. i would appreaciate your comments.

Teranth

@keszegh Your app is pretty cool, ran very well on my Droid X as well. Something was wrong with the link you posted but I was able to find it via search no problem.

Good work, it's a pretty cool concept, but as you said very niche. I could see people having a good time with it though.

keszegh

@Teranth thanks for your comments, i changed the link, now it is working. good to hear about testing on other devices, i only have one tablet and one phone to test on.

keszegh

for your attention, the donate version of my animating app is on amazon appstore:
fragmenter - animated loop machine (throw a dime for a starving brain edition)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009S8ARE4

feedback is still welcome.
(btw, i hope that the relative lack of interest is partially due to the fact that it is on amazon and not on google play store - as i explained, i don't want to register on play store until i cannot put a paid app on it)

keszegh

just to share the info, fragmenter is currently a 'hot new release' in the productivity category:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/new-releases/mobile-apps/2478859011/ref=zg_bsnr_nav_mas_1_mas

ar2rsawseen

Wow, awesome, it seems that amazon does pretty well for you

keszegh

well, i wouldn't want to tell you the sale numbers, let's say you cannot buy too many hot-dogs from it. but in long term i plan to add saving feature exclusive to the paid version, which may encourage more people to buy it. and the app is still somewhat a beta, i will polish it more when i have the time. and then maybe try more markets as well.
in the meanwhile if any of you like the app and you can buy via amazon, i would appreciate if some of you could write a review on the amazon page (even for the free app if you don't want to buy it).
thanks for the interest

keszegh

i thought i will update about my app. i plan to publish a new version soon with quite a few new features, yet first i want to make some tutorial videos, see them here:
https://vimeo.com/groups/fragmenter

i also plan to publish it on samsung app store as almost only they make android tablets/phones with pens, so there i might find a more interested set of users.

OZApps

@keszegh,
I have a Kindle and got your app from Amazon but it does not download to my kindle (issues with non US based accounts) just wondering as to why you did not upload it to Google Play which has a wider outreach as compared to Amazon store.

keszegh

@OZApps, did you try it recently? I think my account is also not us-based and i could download it.

The problem is that I'm in a country that cannot put paid app on Google Play, and i don't want to put ads in the app, so i don't have any way to monetize on Google Play. And although my primary aim (at this stage) is not to make money with it rather to reach people who may like the idea of my app, i want to give them opportunity to fund development (by buying the pro version).
So blame on Google Play. Actually I don't understand why they support one eu country and not support another.

thanks for the feedback btw.

OZApps

@ksezegh,
All the apps installed on my Kindle are Side-loaded cannot connect to Kindle since Day 1, about 2 years ago.

The concept is cool, have you thought of putting it on the Apple store?

Do you have a link to the apk on your personal server or dropbox that I can side load and test?

keszegh

I just made a promotional video, finished some tutorial videos and submitted the 2.0 version of Fragmenter on amazon store, and this time also on samsung store.

you can watch the video here:


Get Fragmenter Lite
from amazon app store: http://amazon.com/gp/product/B009IVLQ6Y
from samsung app store: http://www.samsungapps.com/appquery/appDetail.as?appId=com.longtitle.fragmenterlite

Get Fragmenter Pro
from amazon app store: http://amazon.com/gp/product/B009S8ARE4
from samsung app store: http://www.samsungapps.com/appquery/appDetail.as?appId=com.longtitle.fragmenter

any comments are welcome (i appreciate if any of you rate/review the app on the respective stores as well)

keszegh

just some update,
finally a Fragmenter Page:
http://psychomachie.com/fragmenter/index.html

and a new promo video about the kaleidoscope feature coming in the next version (release will be made possible by @ar2rsawseen):

OZApps

@Keszegh,
Don't know which came first, but the concept of your app is the engine for the game Blek, which won an Apple Design Award at WWDC. Since I have played with Animator (thanks to you) immediately it reminded me of your app. Trry to use this engine into a game, you have a potential on your hand.

Link to Bleck on the App store -> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blek/id742625884?mt=8

keszegh

@ozapps, thanks for the reference.

I checked a trailer of Blek, indeed similar engine. nicely presented also.
In fact, i made several earlier versions of fragmenter in the past, one in flash, one in processing. the processing code was based on this nice thing (an example code included in processing): yellowtail - http://www.flong.com/projects/yellowtail/ (there is also an ios version)
yellowtail does exactly something like the stuff happening in blek (repeating your stroke). so that's where they might have been (heavily) inspired from.
update: funny, i just found an article where they say that yellowtail was indeed an inspiration. no wonder.

btw, before i started to do a mobile version in gideros, in earlier versions there was no looping layer in fragmenter, lines only disappeared after a while (or rather the stroke was always of some fixed length) [what i call now 'infinite layer'].

keszegh

new homepage:
http://longtitleproductions.bitbucket.org/fragmenter/index.html

keszegh

for reference, the homepage has moved to:
https://longtitleproductions.bitbucket.io/fragmenter/index.html

keszegh

I've made a new version of Fragmenter with a completely new gui using the imgui plugin.
And finally it can be downloaded also from itch.io:
https://longtitle-productions.itch.io/fragmenter

Thanks for the gideros community, in particular @hgy29 for the amazing work done to keep Gideros up-to-date and @rrraptor for the imgui plugin.

EDIT: it is quite unbelievable that i've been working on this for 10 years already, during which Gideros was always there to help me do what i want.

rrraptor

keszegh said:

I've made a new version of Fragmenter with a completely new gui using the imgui plugin.
And finally it can be downloaded also from itch.io:
https://longtitle-productions.itch.io/fragmenter

Thanks for the gideros community, in particular @hgy29 for the amazing work done to keep Gideros up-to-date and @rrraptor for the imgui plugin.

EDIT: it is quite unbelievable that i've been working on this for 10 years already, during which Gideros was always there to help me do what i want.

Btw, you can post screenshots on ImGui's github page

https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/issues/5243

keszegh

Btw, you can post screenshots on ImGui's github page
https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/issues/5243

thanks, good idea, will do.

keszegh

New version with many new features.
Thanks @rrraptor @hgy29 and others for the continued support.
See devlog:
https://longtitle-productions.itch.io/fragmenter/devlog/552643/new-features-of-fragmenter-v202307

keszegh

yet another major new version, with plenty of new features.
many thanks to everybody, most importantly @hgy29 for the linux export and in general for keeping gideros to be the best tool for me.

see devlog:
https://longtitle-productions.itch.io/fragmenter/devlog/793654/new-features-of-fragmenter-v202409